When I saw this story in the paper the other day I really had to check it was April 10th and not April 1st, although anybody who tried to make it up as an April fool’s joke would have a pretty warped sense of humour. Apparently the BNP are now actively chasing the Jewish vote in London.
Their argument seems to be along the lines of “You Jews don’t like Muslims. We don’t like Muslims either, so vote for us.”
This is a party that still hero-worships Germany’s Nazi regime, albeit behind closed doors. Wasn’t their former youth leader, Mark Collett, caught on TV saying that Nazi Germany was a better place to live than Oldham or Bury?  And wasn’t their leader, Nick Griffin, convicted of incitement to racial hatred when a magazine he published denied that the Holocaust even happened?
The BNP are fond of racial stereotypes. Isn’t there a some sort of stereotype about Jewish collective long memories?  They are not going to forget something like a government that systematically tried to eradicate their entire race by murdering millions of them and then go out and vote for a party that secretly thinks genocide was a valid policy while publicly denying it happened.
The BNP found one Jewish person stupid or gullible enough to join them and become a councillor; that does not mean the rest will be as easily fooled. The BNP’s contribution to world peace might be in making Jews and Muslims in London realise they have a lot more in common than they thought.
Last year I pondered how many Polish people would be voting BNP. I suspect that there are rich pickings for the BNP amongst the Polish community. Although, the thought of it, with its philosophical conundrums makes me glad I’m not of that political bent….
In Bradford they even managed to get a sikh candidate. Again the theory was that my enemy’s enemy is my friend – Sikhs and Muslims are allegedly not best of chums… The trouble is that your average BNP supporter knows a vanishingly small about about any religion – to them you are white or non-white and a turban is not going to mean anything to them!
Strange isn’t it? Not so much like turkeys voting for Christmas, but like having a turkey standing for the Santa party and actively campaigning for it.
It is true that there can be friction between Sikhs and Muslims – possibly a hangover from the Punjab being split in half during partition or something – but there its possible to leave that baggage behind. Surely one purpose of emigrating is to escape the problems and tensions of home and not to bring them with you.
I was thinking tukeys, Christmas and voting but your allusion is more appropriate Skuds. I would hope that only a few jews are so dim that they cannot see through the BNP’s lies. I wish the people of Barking & Dagenham and Harold Hill could have done the same
What a primitive interpretation of events. Continue on believing your enemy is inferior boys and girls.
I have two BNP coucillors and they sit in council chambers looking confused about the debate going on around them – but then bin collection is a bit tricky.
Yes, nick griffin was sent to court for intent to cause racial hatred.
And what happand, He was found NOT GUILTY!
So i suggest you media groups stop complaining about the BNP being natzi’s and publish something worth-while.
Obviusly the bnp are not fond of muslims but they arent going to kill them all like the natzi’s did.
And except from muslims themselves who does like muslims? They dont exactly create a good image for themselves do they, 7/7 9/11.
Everytime i look at the news about bomb plots its always about muslims. Also about the “mega mosques” and who’s paying for all of them? yeah, exactly, us
The bnp are not racist, They dont like muslims, and muslims are of all races.
Exactly the sort of pig-ignorant, illiterate bigot we all expect to see supporting the BNP. They expect us to believe that just because they can’t even spell ‘nazi’ that they can’t possibly be one.
In 1998 Nick Griffin received a nine-month prison sentence, suspended for two years and a fine of £2,300.
As a 14-year-old (I am guessing, based on your writing ability) you were probably not aware of anything other than the 2005/6 trials.
And, as any 14 year old should know for their own safety, Jacko was tried for sexual abuse of minors and was found not guilty. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, just that money can sometimes get a lawyer to bend the reality of truth.
i have supported labour all my voting life,never will i vote labour again bring on the bnp,lets sort the country out,we are marching on.
400 thousand votes spoiled in the gla elections?
london elect formed by red ken,and his cronies?
labour you are a dead force,you stuck your nose in the trough and got found out.roll on 2010.
52 year old working man
chrisgreen – no, considerably fewer than 400,000 votes were spoiled in the GLA elections.
Good lie, though, where did you pick it up from?
By my reckoning 5.3% of the ballot papers were spoiled by having a cross against the BNP. It will be interesting to see if Barnbrook actually does anything. With most elected BNP types its rare for them to even turn up to anything.
He’s been described as the equivalent of Boris – the best advert against his own party on the basis of incompetence.
But we will wait and see…
The BNP got 200 000 first and second preference votes. If you assume that the vast majority of these where indigenous British give or take a jew and a sihk, then that equates to about 20% of indigenous British who voted in London’s mayoral election. That is huge!
i see somebody cannot admit the truth.
labour are truthful arn’t they.
we went to war over a lie wmd,remember.
labour said it will not raise tax,rembember.
the best thing that happened to the BNP is new labour.thank you.
bnp website now gets more hits and more support than they could ever dream of.again i thank you.
liblabcon have the same agenda,get in, get rich,and get out, and sod the working man.
you lot let us get a foot in the door.thank you
all publicity is good publicity.
keep it up.
and the best you can do is attack a 14 year old on their writing ability ,perhaps 11 years of labour has not helped their education?
iv said before i voted labour all my life, never ever again,i will not forget what labour done to us.
new labour= old conservative.
good bye and god bless the working man.
or should that be under labour god help us?
Once again an undereducated BNP supporter blames labour for the fact that he didn’t pay any attention at school. I’m sure all the lessons he missed on spelling, grammar and basic puctuation were under a Tory government, and probably in a school where teachers failed to punish rascist abuse (because the bullies knew where they lived). And, as for the working man, most of the BNP supporters I have had the misfortune to meet think that the world owes them a living (and all the benefits in the book).
Isn’t it funny, a Labour supporter can be a thick as two short planks and no one calls him undereducated, but woe betide him if he decides to abandon the rotting hulk and vote BNP, then he’s called everything under the sun.
Any working person who earns under £15,000 a year and votes Labour must be brain dead.
I’ve just heard the Labourites are more unpopular than the 1930’s…you just gotta laugh.
Isn’t it funny, a former left-wing Labour supporter turns into a rabid right-wing BNP supporter.
Last time I looked I was definitely not brain dead. Just sometimes, it isn’t about money…. There’s a little thing called principles.
Guys I have been to Afghan and I can tell you first hand it is a lie fed to you to incite these very arguments! their was no Al Qaeda hiding in the caves. Yes BNP have had some bad press but hey labour has slaughtered /sent to their death 100 YOUNG british servicemen in Afghanistan alone. All in the “War on Terror”. you need to wake up. THERE IS NO WAR. It is simply a skirmish held open to take away your civil liberties bit by bit while you argue on who’s to blame!! You need to do some real historical research (not the lies fed to you by corrupt state education) and look at who is pulling the strings of both sides. Both us and the muslims are being used in a sick game called GLOBALIZATION.
a good reference: The Nameless War by Cpt A Ramsay. For god’s sake question what they tell you and get mad when you find that it is all lies.
Please for the sake of humanity and whats left of this once great country WAKE UP…
Love will conquer
Long Live England
Long live Great Britain
Love Thy Country!!!
Incidently if you were wondering who has published details about the spoiled votes? The Daily Telegraph has published it on their web site.
Oh and before I get some snot bag sprog telling me what for, 2 of my very close friends died in Afghan like many other soldiers we will carry the burden of this war for many years to come and unless we say NO and question what they tell us, things are going to get alot worse closer to home Mark my words.
Love thy country.
Mate, if you love your country so much, how come you can’t spell ‘British’ properly?
Nice rambling rant though…
Fantastic critisism there. Maybe you should write a column. Roll over my friend. I’m not sure which of my gramatical errors you were looking at there. I was sure this was ablog on something specific other than peoples spelling or grammar. Maybe I was wrong.
First they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because i was not a Jew
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
for I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Trade Unionists
and I did not speak out
for I was not a Trade Unionist
Then they came for me
and by then there was no one left to speak out for me.
German Anti-Nazi activist, Pastor Martin Niemueller.
Whilst I am certainly not a fan of any of the above mentioned groups/parties, there is a clear message. Thankyou for your input DANIVON however your uneducated comments are somewhat “out of their depth”. If you are concentrating on spelling and grammar so much maybe you should sew on your leather patches to your tweed jacket and get in line with the rest of them….. oh, you are already, sorry.
A close friend’s son was one of those killed in Afghanistan last year and he joined the army because he understood that people of all nationalities and faiths should and could learn to live together. I think he would probably agree with me that saying the BNP have ‘had some bad press’ is like saying the Third Reich weren’t best friends with the Rabbi. Your suffering is real but so was that of the soldiers who fought in World War 2 (when we fought alongside Poles, Sikhs, Muslims and most of the other groups hated by the BNP) – they fought against fascism; not to get it described as ‘bad press’.
And now the guy who can’t spell is calling my comments ‘uneducated’.
As Sir Richard of Littlejohn would say “You couldn’t make it up!”.
You cannot blame the Muslims for the 9/11 ‘terrorist attack’ on the World Trade Center.
Quote :
We have every faith in our Squire Richard ‘the Lionheart’ Barnbrook, doing more to save the sacred Isles of Albion than you lot of limp-wristed pin-cushions . .
“Richard Barnbrook successfully claimed his first victory when,after his request,Boris Johnson decided to prevent the RISE festifal from delivering anti-racism messages(attacks on the BNP).
http://torytroll.blogspot.com/2008/…ctory-over.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/…17/boris.london
http://www.richardbarnbrook.com/200…mely-slap-down/
Make your mind up what you are called – that’s two different aliases from the same IP address already this week. Transparent sock-puppetry.
And why do you give Barnbrook the name of a Frenchman as a nickname?
” It will be interesting to see if Barnbrook actually does anything. With most elected BNP types its rare for them to even turn up to anything. ”
GLA member Barnbrook talks to BNPtv ;
http://www.bnptv.org.uk/news3.php?go=fullnews&newsid=444
But there was many many votes spoiled wasnt there.
you obviously know because of your answer.
Labour switch’s to cardboard box’s to hold the votes (for recycling reasons)(bollocks) and didnt securly lock them up properly.
why when people talk about the BNP do they talk of Fascism & Racism when labour has been cought rigging votes, syphoning the public purse for personal profit, log peoples phone calls and E-mails, make talking about immigration or its effects a crime by saying your racist for doing so (hate crime). Positive discrimination which bars people from jobs because of the colour of their skin. Letting peadophiles off with a slap on the wrist while locking up war veterans for not paying their council tax. Making old folk choose between heating or eating and letting the NHS get into an appaling state all while they divert billions to an illegal war in a iraq killing how many people?
So if voting BNP makes me racist, what does that make someone voting labour or the rest of the vultures? bearing in mind youll be voting in favour for all of the above! How do you feel about yourself now?
Nothing is more satisfying to me than spirited, constructive discourse. The ”no platform” position is tragic but not nearly as tragic as the trend among left-leaning elites to tear someone apart in text by way of procedural issues like grammar. Indeed, this is precisely the type of individual that doesn’t tend to survive very long in face-to-face interactions because most people are so turned off by such characters’ desperate desire to discredit someone’s appearance or dialect, seeking to equate them to steerage passengers.
Let’s call a spade by it’s name; most recent BNP members are disaffected Tory and Labour sympathizers, if not active supporters of those two camps. It’s ironic to me that these people become cultural footballs to be kicked about and chastised when they finally make the decision to abandon the establishment parties. I liken it to a slick-talking womanizer whom pursues a woman on the street. When his efforts are repulsed, out of his insecurity and misery in failure, he begins to brand the woman a ”whore”, a ”cunt”, or worse, assaults the woman. NuLabour and the Tories under Mr. Cameron’s stewardship are the slick-talkers of British politics, prepared to lambast anyone who dares to deviate form their course. They’re the genuine whores, desperate to kick off their skirts and climb in to bed with any number and variety of campaign contributors — like that old pervert ”tax exile” Lord of ours holed up in Monaco — , to the endless hordes of the PC brigades and shake-down posses that operate in concert with groups like the trade unions and academic groups.
Beside, I can’t remember the last time anybody stopped their limousine and offered aid to somebody on the streets. I observe acts of kindness demonstrated by common folks in my new community all the time though. Meanwhile, the chattering classes of middle-class elites all huddle in their leafy suburbs, looking down their noses through their monocles at the rabid packs of starving beasts who, GASP!, dare to so much as contemplate repulsing Labour’s slick-talking, cheap advances toward the poor, defenseless working class. What dirty, cheap whores we working class folk are. How dare we begin to think for ourselves again.
Since you’ve never, I assume, met Skuds, his assosciates or his family how are you able to make assumptions about class? This could just be a group of people who cared enough about their education to pay attention and who saw education as a way to ignore the class system they were born into and make their way in the world on their own merits. We don’t all live in leafy suburbs (when I lived in the North-East I couldn’t even afford to visit Jesmond…), they can be hard to find on the edge of Bradford but nor do we live in a world that goes no further than our own minds…
Don\’t equate my expression of frustration and subsequent diatribe against classism with the host, or even other participants. Neither should you construe it as a personal indict, as I didn\’t bother to indict anyone\’s particular thread in the post. Strange that you \’\’couldn\’t\’\’ visit Jesmond, however. It\’s not a gated community or anything. I can\’t say that there\’s anything particularly desirable here either.
I don\’t restrict myself based on class, nor do I condone anyone doing the same, much less restricting anyone else on that basis. What I\’m getting at here is that throughout this thread –which I happened upon casually via a search for Jews and the BNP– I was dumbfounded by the number of people tearing at other people instead of challenging the substance of their contentions.
It\’s a fairly simple habit for intellectual bullies to indulge in brow-beating someone whom is practically illiterate in to retreating from their convictions by shaming their seeming lack of education. It\’s far more difficult to exhibit a bit of patience, countering ignorance by offering up enlightenment in lieu of ignorance.
As Labour is widely accepted as being in its last throes, a lot of Labour supporters seem desperate. These supporters are lashing out. It\’s as if Labour\’ites can\’t find the necessary mechanisms to cope with the inevitability that this government has been a massive failure and is now dead-on-arrival. Instead, said individuals launch in to tirades at the mere whiff of opposing opinion, particularly from the right, condemning and shunning away. There was a whole hell of a lot of that happening in this thread. That\’s all.
Well, most of the rambling and incoherent hate filled drivel in this thread seems to come from people who are at least defending, if not saying that they support the BNP.
I do not judge a person by their ability to spell, but it will mean I take their writings less seriously. If you can’t take the time to check how you spell your own username (referring to ‘brirish soldier/veteran’ , I wonder if you’ve taken the time to think any more of it through.
I think I understand what you’re getting at but we’re like two ships passing in the night on this issue so I suppose it’s moot.
I’m left to guess that your standard for ”hate-filled”, which is pretty lofty and loaded terminology, is any expression of frustration or anger with Islam. By your standard, I’m sure that you also feel that the vast majority of Lebanon’s Christian population is ”hate-filled”. There’s a galvanized consensus among that particular religious community in that country that Islam is in fact a damaging presence where and when ever it enters Christendom.
I wonder why. Could it have been all the proxy battles that groups like Hezbollah launched against Israel, leaving Lebanon’s civilian infrastructure and population susceptible to very necessary Israeli reprisal and retribution? Israel crafts those responses out of security and fear, not adventurism or aspirations for hegemony. Could it be the perennial attempts of groups like the Sunni-dominated Amal movement to repeatedly subvert the course of virtually every du jour government trying to assert it’s authority in Lebanon? Could it be the revolting thoughts of Marounite priests whom were subject to genital mutilation during the long civil war, their penises stuffed in their own mouthes before they were shot or decapitated (a favourite among the then roaming, genocidal Shi’ite militia death squads)? Or was it the systematic assassination of duly elected Christian leaders such as Rene Mouwad and Bashir Gemayel?
I keep hearing a really good, strong case for defending the vast majority of Britain’s law-abiding, patriotic Muslim population, and I agree with it. I keep hearing a really piss-poor case for demonizing, shunning and denying platform to any group or individuals who correctly pronounce the prospective horrors of Islamification of this country’s culture and society, though.
Lebanon is a exemplary of what tends to become of a tolerant, moderate society that gradually negotiates away its legacy of Europe-inspired, Christian-dominated democracy and rule of secular law to those whom would seek to establish their own de facto Islamic republic within a state.
Meanwhile, a recent study indicates that attacks on Jews in Britain are rising at alarming rates in the wake of this most recent situation in Gaza. Notably, a Baptist minister, of all people, at a church that dared to use the word ‘Zion’ in it’s name, was attacked recently by a pack of ignorant, hateful young Muslims whom assumed that the Church advocated Zionism.
No one else seems to be discussing these developments other than the BNP. The mainstream media won’t even feature the issues.
At the end of the day, where are concerned citizens ,who are rightly concerned and outraged about these issues , supposed to turn? What I’m getting at is that the BNP is the only party with a dog in this fight. Was it chock full of neo-nazi cranks as recently as ten years ago? Absolutely. Are there still a few of the rusty, aging old guard clinging on for dear life within the organization? Absolutely. They seem extremely marginalized though and destined for irrelevance.
In countries like France there has and, I’m sure, will continue to be a tradition of further-right politics. The Front Nationale is routinely fielding candidates for parish councillors right up to the presidency. They never seem to make much of an impression on anybody though as they’re never quite competitive enough to break out of provincial assemblies and town halls. So why then do we still seek to tar-and-feather the right in Britain? If these people are such cranks and lunatics, why then do we accord them the celebrity status of outlaws? They get turned away from university talking forums and ran out of town squares where they set up information stalls and, as a consequence, become martyrs for free speech and civil liberties.
I know that I’m probably boring you but I just can’t seem to understand why groups of gorgeously naive and deluded, otherwise intellectual and thoughtful students, are holed up outside of Mark’s and Spencer’s every Saturday wielding blatantly anti-Semitic posters and other devices. Where are the defenders of Jewry in Britain? Everyone is so quick to rush to the aid of the Muslim community over the slightest perception of injustice. I guess that at the end of the day it’s numbers that determine the protection accorded to a confessional community. That being said, there just aren’t that many Jews in the world.
I’m probably boring you though. Thanks for the chat.
ok now, yes i do get a bot annoyed at never seeing a white person in grays ect, but god damn seeing some fat fail of a man on the news paper going , get out all the jews , or , what would jesus do , seriously think about this idea of getting out all who are not English, say the Chinese , most of our products are imported from china , if we kick out all the Chinese wont they get a bit pissed of, being that we kick out a load of their people Willey nilly , they might stop trading with us , and also , a bnp poster saying “what would jesus do?” i am getting really angry at religion being thrown into every bloody conversation, let us get on with our lives.
Shalom my Jewish Brothers.
Islam and Judaism has so much in common and believe it or not we don’t hate Jews. Of course some do but they are the stupid dumb ar5e extremists who always make the headlines and the idiots think all Muslims are the same and go and play right into the hands of the BNP.
I myself will NEVER vote for a party that denies the Holocaust. The BNP and their supporters are pure evil and believe me they are racist as hell.
At the moment they are playing the divide and control game. Turning Sikhs against Muslims and Muslims against Sikhs. Jews against Muslims and Muslims against Jews.
Now correctly me if I am wrong as I have always been brought up (through my religion) never to judge anyone as a group but singularly. There is good and bad in all.
If you look in YouTube you will find many instances of Muslims saving Jews and Jews saving Muslims etc etc.. They can do it.. I want to do it.. Why cant the extremist element from all religions just bog off to hell.
I wish you all love and peace.
@ NuGordie
“Meanwhile, a recent study indicates that attacks on Jews in Britain are rising at alarming rates in the wake of this most recent situation in Gaza. Notably, a Baptist minister, of all people, at a church that dared to use the word ‘Zion’ in it’s name, was attacked recently by a pack of ignorant, hateful young Muslims whom assumed that the Church advocated Zionism”.
As a Muslim I appologise for the acts of those “muslim” idiots. If they were REAL muslims they would not have done such scum actions.
Shalom / Selam